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# re: California Assault Weapon Identification Flowchart

I guess "Must jump through 200 hoops" is close enough to "Shall not be infringed"..

Hence why I've turned down job offers in California. The only thing that should make a weapon illegal is to use it in an illegal fashion.

By the way, someone from a news station contacted me about your Hello Kitty rifle. Apparently some police department wants to buy one. Has anyone contacted you about it?

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No, but after reading the article below I am sure they want it for training purposes:

http://www.alligator.org/articles/2008/02/08/news/local/guns.txt

Too bad they didn't contact me and get their facts straight before printing this article and using my copyrighted images (supplied by the Gainsville PD, no less).

# re: California Assault Weapon Identification Flowchart

Heres a question... is a rifle with a fixed magazine that holds 10 or less rounds with a flash suppressor on it considered illegal? The flow chart does not really cover this... from what i see. Or is it any weapon with a flash suppressor illegal?

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Travis,

Did you not follow the flow chart? It absolutely covers what you describe.

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Well here is what i see i guess... from the "Does the rifle have a detachable mag?" you go to No. From there its "more than 10 cartridges" no to that too... now its legal. on that flow direction it does not say anything about flash hiders. Only when you follow yes from the "does the rifle have a detachable mag" does it lead into flash hiders. Maybe im seeing this wrong? this is why i asked my question.

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If it doesn't have a detachable magazine, there is no restriction as to what you put on it. It's only when you put a detachable magazine on it that it becomes illegal to add those things onto it.

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That chart and what it represents is why i will never live in California if i can help it... My girlfriend lives in Cali. Personally i love living in Oregon because we have no bans on any small arms. With a Class 3 weapons license i could buy an M249 S.A.W., some C4 plastic explosives, a nice pink Armalite-15 with a Beta-C mag (Which holds 100 rounds and there are no restrictions on large capacity magazines at all in Oregon.), AND a nice pink silencer to go with it. I probably could also buy armor piercing rounds, though that would probably have a nice background check or something of the like. Hell i could go out and buy a .50 BMG Barrett M107 Anti-Material (Provided i actually had the money. That baby will hurt your wallet at a whopping $10,000) easier then someone can get a pistol in California. I feel sorry for any gun enthusiast that has to go through so many loopholes just to be able to have a nice firearm to take to the range and have fun or to have a personal defense measure. Even those that just want to own a few firearms to collect them i feel pity for.

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If someone was to use a 3/16 dia by 3/8 long magnet as their tool in order to release the magazine, would that still keep the rifle cal legal?

# re: California Assault Weapon Identification Flowchart

Sumerian, if you ever break up with yer g/f, can I come live with you in a totally platonic relationship? (I just wanna play wit yer guns!)

So I have a Lancaster Arms NDS-3 and I was gonna replace the nice wood furniture with OD green furniture but maybe will go black instead. I saw that cheaper than dirt has a really nice looking telescoping stock for the AK that is about $100 with 8 positions and it does not fold. wait lemme check- yeah it is made by Mako and is called an AK-47 Butt Stock with Shock Absorber. I THINK that is okay to put on if my rifle still meets the overall length in its shortest configuration. I also saw a UTG Quad Rail system for the front for around $60 that might allow me to put a holo sight on and a foregrip but I THINK the foregrip is illegal since my AK DOES have a detach mag. Also, I have a MM grip on it but I was wondering, if the forward pistol grip is not under the barrel, but rather on the side (like the ikari warriors arcade game from a while back) if that is still illegal.

I am going to ask the DOJ to give me a ruling on these two items. I imagine that the forward pistol grip of ANY kind is illegal whether it is on the side of the hand guard or not, but then what about those really cool looking foregrip/bipods that spring open? those are cool, but I guess you can only install it open and I WILL NOT lock the mag on the AK. I have an AR with a bullet button (a .22 short fits in there GREAT BTW) and that is to be my varmint rifle but the AK WILL keep the 30 rnd detach mags. Any ideas or suggestions on decent furniture? I really wanted an OD Green plastic set but I broke my rear sight (popped a weld and flopped all over) in the first 50 rounds out of the box and I wanna put a lil red dot open type of holosight on it like the SIGHT MARK Mini-shot (it looks cute too!). I really want an OD green stock and OD green foregrip with rails but I guess I will settle for that all black look... :(

# re: California Assault Weapon Identification Flowchart

Very interesting this post California Assault. Assaults are quite common but severely punished offenses in the state of California. We know that situations happen where emotions are high and mistakes are made. Often, if you are facing assault and battery charges, you are instantly treated like a criminal, without being given any benefit of the doubt.

# re: California Assault Weapon Identification Flowchart

Well here is what i see i guess... from the "Does the rifle have a detachable mag?" you go to No. From there its "more than 10 cartridges" no to that too... now its legal. on that flow direction it does not say anything about flash hiders. Only when you follow yes from the "does the rifle have a detachable mag" does it lead into flash hiders. Maybe im seeing this wrong? this is why i asked my question.

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No, you are reading it correctly. If your rifle does not have a detachable mag there is no reason to ask about a flash-hider (or collapsible stock, vertical grip, etc...) because those are all OK to have as long as the mag is not detachable (requires a tool to remove it). A flow chart is designed in such a way to not ask redundant or unnecessary questions based upon the preceding answers.

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Stilly,

I live in CA, and I brought back an AK-47 from Kosovo after my deployment there. Yes, it still had all the "evil" features. I love the rifle and would not change it to appease the "Peoples Republic of Kalifornia", so I take it only on my own property. I wanted to let you know about a few items I had used over the years and whether they work or not.
The Mako Stock that you mentioned is a good addition, I now have a UTG collapsible stock on mine and I enjoy it. I did like the look of the wood furniture, but I would rather have a rifle that is more adaptable than good looking. The UTG Quad Rail system you mentioned does need a foregrip underneath otherwise it sucks to hold by hand, and unless you are planning on spraying and praying, a side mounted grip would do absolutely no good. Hence why you do not see them on any real world firearms. I have the UTG Quad Rail and the UTG Foldable Foregrip on mine and at the most forward lug of the Picatinny rail. (look at me, I look like a salesperson for UTG! Ugh) With the grip mounted in the most forward position, I can still remove my Tapco 40 round mags with ease. Most non folding grips will interfere with the removal of the AK mags. Also, if you decide that you would like to fire the rifle in a more traditional style, you can fold the grip up against the back and it acts like a handguard. I also picked up a 3 lug universal barrel mount Picatinny rail that I used with a Harris bipod on the front. The cleaning rod still works in the stock location and I keep the legs of the bipod folded back.
On the top Picatinny I use a 3 x 9 variable Tactedge scope that has none of the clicks that other scopes have, so I can have powers of 3.3 magnification if I choose. On the side mounted Picatinny, I use a 45 degree offset adapter and have a Aimpoint holo sight mounted for CQB type shooting. It just takes a slight twist of the rifle and I can go from scoped sights to a holo sight.
I work in Afghanistan as a private security contractor, and this setup has served me well. I hope that this information serves you well.

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sumerian, even though i am a life long resident of ca. i hate it and all that it has become. if i could pick up 23 years of hard earned business reputation and move it to oregon i would do it in a heartbeat.
but i guess i am 1 of the lucky californians, my dad, ( who saw the handwriting on the wall in ca.) moved to oregon in 1989, needless to say i havent bought a gun in calif. ever since, however i have recieved quite a few b-day presents in the form of firearms. dad is a very generous guy when it comes to presents.
where theres a will there's a way.

# re: California Assault Weapon Identification Flowchart

i want to learn weapons identification by mark, symbol, safety simbol etc. can you send me the leson concern?

thank you

kumbi